ShadeJewelry kicked off Etsy..
9:49 PM Tuesday, August 4, 2009<a href="http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6237369&page=6">http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6237369&page=6</a>
Was it the negative feedback left lately? I do feel bad for that customer that is going to get married before getting his engagement rings back from Shade.
Thoughts?
You have my email address. I shouldn't have to chase after you anymore for my order/refund. Or have you not gotten my last several emails?
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
malahide7, 4 people have personally told me that his tracking numbers ended up being fake. Im not saying that they all are, but Im guessing since YOU had to track HIM down.. yeah, it may be false. Watch out.
In fact, if you want to talk more about this privately, email me and I will give you my # so that we can speak via phone.
AddieLovingood@yahoo.com
That goes for anyone else interested in contacting me. I have verification that I was scammed and I have chosen a good attorney to pursue this case.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Oh, and I just wanted to say that this is how it started out for me..
After Chris was gone from etsy and I contacted him via email he acted as though he didn't recognize my name and that my name wasn't on his "records"....
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
addie that's total bullshit, I NEVER said that to you, I know exactly who you are.
hey, does your attorney do criminal defense?
now that I know there etsy user name I know EXACTLY who they are, and have their product info, there name here was different than there etsy user-name, so unless I have some physic crystals, i would have no way to know who they where!
-Chris
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
addie that's total bullshit, I NEVER said that to you, I know exactly who you are.
hey, does your attorney do criminal defense?
now that I know there etsy user name I know EXACTLY who they are, and have their product info, there name here was different than there etsy user-name, so unless I have some physic crystals, i would have no way to know who they where!
-Chris
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Chris, I have absolutely had it with your fucking lies:
--- On Thu, 8/6/09, admin@shadejewelry.com wrote:
From: admin@shadejewelry.com
Subject: Re: hey...
To: "Addie Lovingood"
Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 2:46 AM
Addie,
as you can imagine my records are a little messed up right now, I have them
all, but not in order!
did you buy a ring from me?
-Chris
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:53:59 -0700 (PDT), Addie Lovingood
wrote:
> I was wondering if there was anything I could do to help you.. maybe I
can
> get a artfire account and you can make me a listing for my rings so that
I
> can leave you good feedback and get you started over there??
>
> There is a thread about you on etsy and I dont know if you can see them
or
> not because when I click on your account is says it is not active
anymore..
> let me know what's going on~~!
>
> ~Addie
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Oh and ok, you did know who I was, but "forgot" that I ordered rings..
I mean, wtf?
Could you be anymore of a criminal?
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
..after re-reading that, it's like a knife to the heart, I cant even believe I was that nice to you. I was ready to bend over backwards just to help you out since you were "wrongfully removed from etsy".. I just dont understand what I ever did to you to deserve being scammed like this! You are so messed up that it is not even funny...
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
I just don't get why your customers seem to have to work to get any info from you about tracking, delivery issues, find out how their order is going, etc.
I don't understand why you would want to make their experience with you frustrating from the get-go. Why not volunteer the information to them without them having to hound you via repeated emails (and other sites, because according to them you don't answer your emails), etc.?
In a round-a-bout way, Sellers work for the Customer---not the other way around.
On an aside---Shade, since your OWN paypal screenshot proves that you've never refunded Daisy/Addie...will you be doing so now?
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Holy F*ck. Shade you are a criminal. I did think that immaturity and inexperience were why you got kicked off etsy but now....
So many excuses. It comes naturally to you doesn't it?
Getting kicked off etsy was should have been a lesson were you learned a few things like how to treat a customer, and how to run your business. Instead you have gone the opposite way and it sounds like you are worse. You had so many defenders who truly, truly believed in you and all you had to do was fulfill your obligations and make them their rings.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
I foresee this playing out on America's Most Wanted or Cops.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
oh, ok, it went through. Cool beans.
Thank you for asking, Karina.. I was just wondering myself if the refund would be honored since his "proof" was invalid.
In his mind, maybe he believes a refund was made, but just to be clear, none ever was. He is running out of days.. so If he is going to refund me, it had better be soon.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
I heard Chris Anderson will be featured on America's Most Wanted tonight.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
And next week he'll be featured on Cops. Chris be sure to smile pretty for the camera!
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
SoGlad- Not to mention ABC News' "7 On Your Side", and Fox Five's "Shame On You". The media loves a good wedding-vendor-criminal-brought-to-justice story. And I know the broadcast area for those NYC-based channels does include the part of Jersey where Shade operates his Shady business. He could get a nice free advertisement for all his friends to see on the news.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
What about failure to launch? I know it isnt a show, but if it were, he'd be the star!
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
That's right. Blame the victim. The victim, the buyer, is alienating other Etsy buyers. Of course non of this would have happened at all if not for the crappy, con artist, seller who took every one's money and didn't deliver. No-siree-Bob, he didn't have a thing to do with alienating any Etsy buyers. No one is sick of his shit are they? Which is why I doubt that EnoughAlready is an Etsy buyer only. I get so tired of people defending sorry suck ass sellers when it is clearly evident that they are exactly that-sorry suck ass sellers.
PussDaddy
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Enoughalready.. I am inclined to believe that you are actually Chris Scumbag Anderson himself, and if emailing you (him) privately was effective.. NONE OF US WOULD BE HERE.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Tori, you are one class act.
I have been fucked over by a seller previously, and not on a cheap item either. I completely understand how frustrating it can be. I just didn't turn it into a public event.
There are other ways to deal with this. Coming on a blog and threaten to have the bad seller beaten up by your husband is not really a brilliant way to go about things. It makes her look like a complete fool. As much as Shade has some growing up to do, so does she. Did you read the other jilted buyers comments? They acted like adults and discussed matters appropriately.
RareDaisyJewelry has been going on and on in the Etsy forums and other venues about this. I've seen her many posts on Etsy forums, and she still doesn't seem to get a clue when admin is continuously closing her threads. Not too bright.
Then again, what do I know, right? I'm just some woman needing some astroglide, right?
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Tori, I think my "Failure to launch" comment might have hit a nerve. lol!!~
Chris, you need that $150 more than I do.. why dont you put it toward getting out of your mom and dad's house?
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
EnoughAlready.. this was a public event LONG before I ever got screwed over, and long before I ever talked about it publicly. So, blaming me is fruitless. I didn't start the scam, I didnt make it go public.. and umm.. I didn't give birth to the piece of shit that caused this mess. So, before you get mad at the people scammed out of money, rings, ceremonies.. etc., perhaps you could take it up with the moron that raised Chris to be a lying, cheating, stealing scum bag~
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Just because I am telling you to take it down a notch does not mean I am taking ShadeJewelry's side. I certainly am not.
He's obviously proven himself not capable of running a business.
You've obviously proven yourself clueless to the fact that the way you handle conflicts online does reflect on your own business.
Take the high road here and handle this in more mature manner.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
I see. So because this was made public prior to your problem then makes it ok for you to repeatedly bring this out in public forums, against said forums' rules?
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Yes, actually you are defending him, which leads me to believe that you ARE him. Because no one in their right mind would defend him after reading all of this.. unless of course, they are as functionally illiterate as he is. No one is left to defend Chris, but chris. I was his biggest supporter when he got "removed" (Actually, he was BANNED!) and he ended up screwing me over too. As I said before, I didn't start this forum, I am one in a group of many people who have gone public with this mess. Probably one of the youngest IN that group, so telling ME to handle it in a more mature manner is quite laughable.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
I didnt break any forum rules. Chris is no longer on etsy, so talking about him is actually legal. However, since etsy removed every trace of him from their website (including all of his articles.. quit your day job and storque) I would assume that they closed the threads down because they do not want him affiliated to their website at all. Which is actually a smart move.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
I'm defending him? Can you even read??
I specifically said he can't run a business and has growing up to do. How is that defending?
Plus you being the youngest one, gives you an excuse to act foolishly? None of what you are saying even makes sense!
The other buyers (can't remember their names) came on here and shared their frustration, but kept it civil. I admire that, because I know what it's like to have a seller take your money and "run"
You came in here spewing threats and other nonsense. Is this a smart way to resolve this issue?
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
did you even read the closing statements on your own threads? Admin clearly stated that it is against forum rules to discuss any dispute or transaction in the forums. Regardless of whether or not the seller is still there.
learn. to. read.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Yep, I'm convinced. You are Chris. Please get off of the computer and go make my damn rings.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
no addie your right, your not breaking forums rules, etsy LOVES it when you continually post "pity me" treads calling out sellers and post death threats in the forums.
they love that.
and no, enough already is not me, but you'd really be surprised how many sellers think your a total moron pandering for attention.
But I digest
anyway, even though this probably won't matter I have a better PayPal screen shot showing the refund to Addie a bit better.
this shows the refund issued on the 31st and then the case closed there after.
http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/clovenedhoof/?action=view¤t=casehistory.jpg
so yeah, I have work to do so I wont' be around much
have fun at my expense!
-chris
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
hahah! No shocker to see you here Chris! It was you all along.
I didnt post any death threats in the forums. Chris, why don't you learn. to. read.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
oh my god, raredaisy you are even more clueless than I thought. I actually felt bad for you not receiving your rings. What a waste of my time.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
no really it wasn't' and I have no idea who it is.
but thanks enoughalready for being able to have a bit of logic!
-Chris
(PS they spell better than me)
(PPS unlike some people I'm a far better person than making sock puppets or using pseudonyms)
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Sure why not, I'm Shade. I'm also Santa Claus, God, Ganesh, Mickey Mouse and the tooth fairy. Anyone else you believe I am?
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
are you the Lindbergh baby?
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
ShadeJewelry,
I have to say that your screenshots suck. They aren't truly screen shots because if there were they would show everything on the screen. I think everyone knows that. Secondly, that "Screenshot" didn't have any names or identifications listed on it so it could have been to anyone for any amount. I'm not trying to be overly confrontational with you but your defense is tenious at best. I mean, if someone was making the claims that are being made against you, I would have full documentation to back up my counter claim. I would have a picture of the sale, of the emails sent to me, and of the refund at the very least.
And I'm much more inclined to believe the person with 100 percent customer satisfaction then the person who got kicked off etsy.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Oops, sorry about that. Linked it wrong. This is me. :)
http://www.etsy.com/profile.php?user_id=7888164
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Ravage,
you have a good point,
here is a better view:
it shows the refund issued and the amount
http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/clovenedhoof/?action=view¤t=detailedcase.jpg
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Yeah, that is a little bit better of a view, but thats still not a true screenshot. Just hit your printscreen button on your keyboard for a screen shot. Should be up by the delete key in the corner. I would still put a detailed recept for the refund and the emails that you were sent. I mean, it has a transaction number on it but just reading it doesn't show what the transaction is or who it went to. also it doesn't say who the dispute was with. And whats the yellowed out box for? It just says "Addies Address" and nothing else. I mean, I have never had a refund or dispute or anything like that but you would think the site would be more clear to avoid things like this.
Any opinion by you people who know more about this then I do? I mean the facts should speak for themselves and I'm sure that Addie would be more then willing to show her information on it.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM
addies address was literally her e-mail and address.
I'm not giving out the personal information of my customers
But that is everything, if I show more it will just be my browser.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Yeah, I know that, and thats the point. It will show the website address to prove that it's a screenshot from the page. And the best way to black out info is to just use pain and paint over the names. At least thats how I do it, doesn't compromise any info that way.
Ok, I have looked in to it and it does show that it did a refund. But the email that she was sent and her detailed history both show that she did not recieve a refund. This must be because as the email sad there was no money in the account.
Do you have a screenshot showing where the money was deducted from your account and sent to hers?
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
http://i27.tinypic.com/oavifa.jpg
this is a screen shot that proves I was not refunded, because just around the same time I bought rings from Chris, I also bought make up from a girl who did not deliver and she refunded. My transaction with her says refunded, and my transaction with him is complete.
I have more screen shots to further prove my case, but I need to take out my customers names on the transactions if I am going to post them here.
Oh, and Ravage. Thank you. :)
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
yeah that was up there but here it is again.
http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/clovenedhoof/?action=view¤t=addie.jpg
the bottom part that says "canceled" means the whole transaction was canceled. AKA she got her money back. Which is is confirmed by the other screen shot
There is absolutely money in the account, I use that account to accept credit-cards for my business as we speak.
-Chris
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
I'd post the screenshot of the detailsof the hold and of the update to reversal. I mean, the fact that is says cancel on the reversal looks to me like the reveral was canceled. And that is what it says on the bottom of the detail pages. "Canceled: The sender canceled this payment." And the case of the reversal you would be the sender.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
paypal isnt' clear about this, at first i thought what you thought, but the transaction is there and all, and the money is clearly gone from my account.
honestly, even if i provided like rock solid proof, and so on and so on.....
This whole month long attack as little to do with the truth and more to do with attention, page views sympathy and trying to make me look as bad as possible, and other people look as good as possible, and again, it's all fun and games, but in the end the people doing this WILL be held accountable. I have already began reporting some people to the proper authorities and websites that have been used to perpetrate this bullshit.
this is the dark side of etsy, I'd make sure to avoid it at all cost.
-Chris
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Here is also a list of all of my refunds.. and Chris, you arent on it. Not at all.
http://i31.tinypic.com/9a4rur.jpg
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
cute, but no cigar
when money is sent back, paypal always indicates such-whether the refund is partial (says explicitly partially refunded) or complete
Not everyone is an idiot, you just think they are
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
actually, all that screen shot shows is that the reversal was what was canceled, proving she has not received her money
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
"Ok, I have looked in to it and it does show that it did a refund. But the email that she was sent and her detailed history both show that she did not recieve a refund. This must be because as the email sad there was no money in the account."
Has Addie posted any screenshots of her paypal resolution center (including the August 16-31 date range, not the July screenshot) , or screenshots of this email she received? Or has she just posted the text copy and pasted from the email?
The screenshots Shade posted show the money being put on hold Aug 16- the day the dispute was first filed. Paypal puts the money on hold pending the outcome of the dispute, so that the seller can't clear out the account, even if they wanted to.
It sounds to me like there is some paypal confusion, and neither person is lying but they were told two different things by paypal.
Can't the two of you get on a conference call with paypal and sort this out like adults?
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
http://i29.tinypic.com/35clcol.jpg
more proof..
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
From what I have seen it seems to me like you are either intentionally frauding or you simply misunderstood what it said. The canceled on the reversal means that the sending back of the money was canceled. that is why the net balance didn't have a - in front of it.
Both Addie's histories for refunds and reversals show no return from your page. Also her history from august 29th to the present shows no refund in the amount or from you.
She has been very willing to provide all the information I have requested to back up he claim. And since she can back up her claim your earlier statement about this being libel is incorrect.
Slander and libel are false or malicious claims that may harm someone's reputation. If false, malicious statements are published in mainstream media (i.e. on the internet, in a magazine, etc.) then it is classified as "libel".
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
he said she said.....
good idea, but
No, I will not do that, because after a couple weeks of calling me out on etsy, and few dozen death threats and attempts to ruin my business and livelihood.
NO I will not assist her in ANYway. she has no case, and if she pursues this in any court of law I will counter-sue her for any number of offenses, and I will win
simple as that.
-Chris
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
you say you have multiple death threats (THIS story has changed just like the rest) but none have been shown. mayhap you are dreaming them up...or pulling them out of your rear like so many other things...what YOU are saying is actually libel...irony
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Have you checked though your account to verify where the money disappeared to? Because it did not show up in Addie's accounts.
The screen shot from her resolution center is the same as the one that Shade posted but the money does not show back up in her account. As his own post shows the Refund was issued but then it was canceled on the same day.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
check this thread..... they are on here
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
I mean, the way it looks is that paypal settled the case against him and started the refund process then it was canceled before the money was sent.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
there where death threats on my face-book also, I don't have the screen shots on this computer. But the police seem to think they where "terroristis threats"
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
More proof
http://i30.tinypic.com/5xij2c.jpg
take those "threats" to the police, Chris. Seriously. Print this whole thing out and show them what I said. They will send you home. And if you wait just a few more weeks.. you'll be running from the police, so please.. go see them.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
ironylover, thank you.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
A terrorist threat is something like "I am going to firebomb your house." Threatening to have there husband beat you up is overreaction because they are mad. I doubt she is actually going to do that beause if he did he could be brought up on assualt charges. Besides, if all the stuff I have read is true then why kick your ass cause you'll be going to prison, there you will get your ass punked. lol So wrong but so true. Can you say, Fresh Fish? lol
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
what are you twelve ? wow
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Besides, we all know just how much attention people will pay to the internet. If you do a little research you will see that even real terrorist threats are ignored. I mean, the most notable would be 9/11 where there was a ton of internet chatter about what was going to happen and no one did anything.
The police won't even bother with harassement on the internet. I know that one cause my little cousin's ex has a new girlfriend who has been doing it since they hooked up and the polie said they wouldn't do anything.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
No, I just thought that would get a good laugh. I mean, I thought it was funny as hell, didn't you? lol
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
that last post showed up awkwardly...it was to shade. If you think the police will take that kind of thing on FACEBOOK seriously...wjw...
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
I can see it now.. "Blonde goes to prison for FACEBOOK threats!"
just below..
"However, ShadeJewelry scammed people out of thousands of dollars yet continues to enjoy sleeping in, blink 182 concerts and the privacy of his parents sofa."
Ha. Not a chance.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
well,
since the jist of your e-mail is that paypay can't give you the money since there is no money in the account...
http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/clovenedhoof/?action=view¤t=balance-1.jpg
I think there is probably 150 bucks with your name on it floating around, but it's definitely not in my account and probably not in your account.
so a threat on facebook doesn't count....?
does that mean a sale on etsy doesn't either? LOL
BTW
here is the real definition of "terroristic threat"
http://definitions.uslegal.com/t/terroristic-threat/
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
I think it would be more like "Hot sexy blonde jewerly maker." lol
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
hahaha, thanks. :)
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
I'd love to see some proof I scammed people out of thousands of dollars. you seem to be the only person saying they didn't get rings or money.
or that I live on my parents couch.
if either of those aren't true it would be libel ;)
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Yeah, we'll just ignore the unhappy customers all over this forum. All of them...
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Well, I have seen a few customers that have been waiting a while for there jewelry. Like the girl whose wedding is coming up in a few weeks.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Obviously, Ravage, he doesnt include her in this mess. And obviously he doesnt include all the pissed off people that have e mailed me and pussdaddy regarding his lack of effort to produce the rings/refund.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
"I want to know where my rings are" followed by some private e-mails and tracking info and what not....
is far different than being scammed out of money.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
And what about all the people that have emailed me saying that they have emailed pussdaddy.. and that they have filed a report.. and that they had to get other rings..
Even pussdaddy posted on her blog that people have come to her with emails of dissatisfaction/scamming because of you.
But, we'll ignore them and pretend Im the only one. Malahide7 is still out of money and has no rings.. just for ONE example.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Well, that didn't seem to be the way I read it. I believe she said she ended up picking a new place and was trying for a refund. I don't know it's late and I'm heading to bed but I'm sure someone will say something soon about not being happy.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
September 5, 2009 at 9:32 pm
yeah that was up there but here it is again.
http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/clovenedhoof/?action=view¤t=addie.jpg
the bottom part that says “canceled” means the whole transaction was canceled. AKA she got her money back. Which is is confirmed by the other screen shot
There is absolutely money in the account, I use that account to accept credit-cards for my business as we speak.
-Chris
______________________________________
Shade, as many people (including myself) explained to you the first time you posted that link..."canceled" is NOT the same thing as "refunded".
Unless you show an actual Paypal screenshot (not an altered screenshot showing only half of the information) that shows the money being "Refunded" to addie's account, then you have proven nothing.
On an aside...Help Me Howard and shows like that really are beneficial to people hoping to get closure on money-lost issues..are y'all serious about contacting them?
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Shadejewelry Says:
September 5, 2009 at 10:57 pm
I’d love to see some proof I scammed people out of thousands of dollars. you seem to be the only person saying they didn’t get rings or money.
___________________________
I think you need to reread this entire thread. A few people in here stated they were still waiting for refunds/rings from you.
Addie came into this conversation very late, so she was not the first or only one.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Oh I forgot---if you are serious about Help Me Howard...here is the link to his blog--halfway down the screen is a shaded area with contact info and to tell him about your problem:
http://weblogs.wpix.com/news/helpmehoward/
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
To Enough Already:
umm...did you happen to notice the name of this website? It's CALLING OUT on Etsy....this is the place to CALL OUT when you have a negative experience on Etsy, duh.....Clearly Abbie/Daisy chose the correct venue to air her experience. This is not a legal document where she would be required to state only the facts and keep her emotions in check while sharing the issues. I dont know her but would hazard a guess that she wishes like hell she DIDNT have to come to this blog and waste valuable time telling her story. However, if you cannot get satisfaction from a consumer experience and the person in question refuses to communicate with you, then taking it public is a viable and often effective avenue. That is why we have news channels that investigate consumer issues along with the ripoff report (www.ripoffreport.com) and the Better Business Bureau and BLOGS LIKE THIS ONE. Because public embarassment and pressure will often work to force the person to respond when all other attempts have failed. It serves a dual purpose to help others be aware of the accusations being made and decide for themselves whether or not they want to purchase from this seller. The seller has plenty of opportunity to tell their side as well.
Now if you aren't interested in reading the hairy details and emotions involved behind someone who is angry and frustrated at being conned then I suggest you go visit a website on "Gardening for Seniors" or "Positive Thinking and Happy Thoughts" but dont come to a website that EXISTS for this very purpose and tell someone that they are immature or inappropriate for doing exactly what the websites purpose allows them to do. Duh.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
And now to address ShadeJewelry:
FACTS, QUESTIONS and ADVICE
1. Etsy doesn't close accounts randomly, without reason or without solid proof of fraud. Etsy doesn't even close accounts for multiple complaints or bad feedback until both have reached a staggering level. They dont send blank emails when closing accounts and they dont ignore inquiries about those accounts.
2. If you WERE the victim of some vast conspiracy by Etsy then you would have quickly taken legal action. You were certainly quick enough to threaten Abbie with it for her remarks. Why not pursue Etsy as well since they made the ultimate libel statement by taking away your account which means they found you guilty of fraud in some capacity?
3. If you have time to rebut Abbies statements and post screenshots and debate about what they mean, why not call PayPal and confirm that Abbie received a refund and then ask for a confirmation email?
4. I urge you to read this and take it seriously. You have two options at this point. The first is silence which Keiran wisely recommended earlier. While it wont win you any friends, it will stop infuriating people further and forcing those who have been on the fence into deciding against you. It will not bring you peace of mind or redemption but it will shorten the backlash that you are igniting here with every comment that reeks of denial, arrogance and dishonestly.
The second option is the harder one. That is to offer a short sincere apology with no excuses, no explanations, no focus on what anyone else has done in response to your actions. Accept responsibility and pledge publicly to make things right to those you have wronged. Then follow through. Privately contact those people and do what it takes. Stop posting here and take action. Word will quickly get out if you do the right thing. If you choose another route then expect karma to follow you.
Everyone reading this has fucked up in their lives before and has had to face the consequences. Most of them, even those who have been screwed over, would accept an offer of honest atonement from you. Anything else will evoke only disdain and ensure that you will end up in the same place all over again, no matter where you go. You cannot run away, your demons will go with you. The only way out is through.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Addie, it's Addie not Abbie. lol But I see what your saying and your both very right.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
He Said She Said,
Apparently working this out like adults is too difficult for some.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
And Shade, saying you refuse to work this out privately with her is NOT good for your business.
Be a man and handle this one on one with your customer.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
I have a feeling that Shade knows all of this already..Jessica. From his comments before, the run-around he keeps giving regarding screenshots, and his statement that he refuses to work with Addie on this...he knows he hasn't given her a refund, and probably has no plans to.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Addie Lovingood is my very best customer on Etsy. We have also become great friends. I have NEVER had any problems with Addie and to say that she is making this up is absolutely ridiculous. Anyone who knows her, knows that's bullshit. Chris, I defended you as well. I even pointed people to your off-Etsy shop. I am extremely dissapointed with you and will no longer be making the purchase I had planned for December. That screen shot also shows nothing of a refund. It says the funds that were held are no longer held, and the reversal (which was holding the funds) has been canceled. That means they aren't being held anymore, not that they were returned. If you'll notice Chris, it shows no negative on the 31st, which is when it SHOULD show it for a refund.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
And let me make it clear here that Addie is NOT the only pissed off customer. I have NEVER received my ring. I have NEVER received a refund. I has been over two months since I placed my order and have NO indication from Shade that either of those things would be happening.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Thanks Ravage, and my apologies to Addie (NOT Abbie!) for getting the name wrong. It does show though that I really dont know her and am basing this on everything that has come out rather than the fact that I am friends with her personally. I mentioned her but as Malahide 7 points out, there are many others like her some of which probably know nothing about this blog so we haven't even heard from them. But Etsy and PayPal probably have.
Again, Enough Already, have you not figured out that Shade has refused to work this out despite many attempts by Abbie and others? Did you not read Addie and others numerous emails requesting that Shade resolve this issue BEFORE she finally made it public? Or do you read posts selectively like Shade?
Addie doesn't need a lecture on adult behavior. She has been victimized by a scammer and she has every right to be vocal about it here since every other attempt to resolve this privately has been ignored by Shade. AGAIN that is the purpose of this blog, to CALL OUT people who refuse to do the right thing privately. YOU ARE ON A CALL OUT BLOG...HELLLO??? This is the place for he said/she said. If you are so much into not airing private disputes then then why aren't your sanctimonious urgings to them by convo?
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
And as an aside, did anyone notice that when Shade first posted in the Etsy forum that he had "just been kicked off Etsy", someone asked him why and he said "I can't go into details here" and yet on this blog he said that when Etsy sent hin the notice, they left that part blank. So why didn't he say the same thing when someone asked him in the forum? Something like "I have NO fucking idea, they didn't say and I am demanding answers right now" instead he says he can't go into details. Interesting.
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6237369&page=6
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
I noticed that as well. His stories aren't matching up anymore.
A question for Etsy though would be... "How the heck was he still posting in forums if he had been kicked off of Etsy?"
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
"but after I leave etsy, I will be leaving for good, and will not be returning."
If you were kicked off of Etsy, you wouldn't have the option of returning...
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Jessica, first, I am no longer posting on etsy. I have not posted on there in over a month, please, look at DATES.
and the "I won't be returning to etsy" quote was in response to the question "will you be sock puppeteering on the forums?"
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
No Shade, YOU look at the dates, you came to the forum and announced that you had just been kicked off Etsy. Jessica is correct, how were you able to post if you had just been kicked off Etsy?
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
ummm I had 2 or 3 days after I got the e-mail.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
It's pretty obvious that you had NOT been kicked off Etsy or you would not have been able to post. You KNEW that you were GOING to be kicked off though and you knew WHY. You chose to make the announcement in advance to garner sympathy and support as well as to steer customers to your new location. No other explanation makes sense. If you are kicked off, you can't post unless you use another name.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
notice how he throws red herrings out instead of answering very direct questions?
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
notice how I really don't need to do any of this. In case your not aware, this really isn't that important.
The simple fact is, Addie posted here, and about a half dozen times on etsy, she has violated etsy rules numerous times by doing so. She posted threats on my face-book, violating there rules numerous times. and don't say "oh her threats don't matter" If i would have stooped so low as threatening her you all would had clamored and tried to get me arrested and deported to a third world country.
customer service is a tough thing, and is especially tough when you have to make a product, sell a product and service a product all at once. which Addie doesn't need to do, she has other people do that all for her (her 4 employees)
she could have handled this private with me, with pay-pal, and if need be a lawyer, but Addie has decided she wanted to play this out here, and on etsy to get attention and sympathy.
simple as that.
she has even gone so far as to post here using a pseudonym (which WE may be able to pick up on, but the casual observer, potential customer and Google spider WILL not pick up on) which makes me wonder, if her claim is so legit, hide?
and later one when I'm doing working I'll provide you a screen shot of the-mail I got from etsy, showing the date.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Lol See shade, I told you others would be comming out. Based on the facts it's pretty obvious that you are deliberately frauding people. If I was addie and malahide7, I would look for as many other people I could find who you have given the same run around as you have them and file a joint suit against you. Fraud is both very illegal and morally wrong. Especially when you cheat people out of both there money and involving there wedding.
Both addie and malahide7 have said they have tried to get in contact with you. Addie contacted you and you didn't respond till she mentioned the police and all you seemed to have to say was that you would counter sue for libel. And I'm sure that everyone knows that her name here on the blog is more to express her feelings then everything else. Especially since she has linked her name to her etsy shop.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
I'm never gotten an e-mail from malahide, when I do I'll give them there tracking info.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
funny how something that isn't important is taking up so much of your time
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
First off you know she is trying to get ahold of you because you talked to her on here about her emailing you, you read her message on here about her asking for her tracking number and responded to it. I mean, she said she has sent you 7 or 8 emails and even gave you the name of her etsy account so you could check to make sure she bought something. Here, I'll even post it again for you. Etsy username TheDuguay.
I mean, you already have her email because you replied and told her her rings were 3 weeks away.
I think that you should just dispute the charge on your card to get the money back if you can. Since you know that she is trying to get her tracking info why do you need her to send you an email again.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
let me just log into etsy and send her a convo..... oh wait.
EKK!
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
How about you just try posting an email here so that she can get ahold of you? I mean, you know she wants to talk to you so how about making a litte bit of an effort? It's really not that hard to get ahold of someone and work this shit out. And if you were really serious about your business, you would have kept a copy of her info off site just incase something happened.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
You can't call out someone who no longer exists on Etsy, Chris. The rule is not to call anyone out ON ETSY with identifiable hints. This is now being taken BEYOND Etsy. Keep it up and you'll have a class action lawsuit, which will be worse than just Addie suing you.
And here's a thought, if you truly want to show people that you are at least somewhat true to your word. Post the TRACKING ID here so we can all see it. I doubt the buyer would mind. Hopefully, he/she responds...
Did you, as a high volume seller, not keep track of your customers? Not export your customer information? That's just another sign of a BAD businessman.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Actually, not only have I sent MULTIPLE Etsy convo messages to Shade to check the status of my order, when those messages weren't returned I also tried sending him messages through the form on the contact page of his website. When THAT message wasn't returned, I tried sending emails to the email address he had listed on that same site and then when THOSE messages weren't returned, I tried emailing the addresses listed in the Etsy confirmation as well as the one in my PayPal confirmation. It usually takes about five or six emails to Shade to get ONE very vague response that usually promises the rings will be sent in a few days. It NEVER happens, and he NEVER offers a refund. He has my email address. He has just chosen not to use it. In any case, if you allegedly do have this alleged tracking number, then why not post it here so everyone can see how legit you allegedly are?
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Lol Sounds to me like you've done just about everything you can to contact him short of just showing up at his front door and asking for your rings or a refund.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
I think people would show up at his door, but it's difficult to obtain someone's address when they live with mommy and daddy...
:/
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
320 posts all about ShadeJewelry. It just tickles me to death that it means 320 posts all googable that tell what a loser he really is.
PussDaddy
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Oh my god, the BEST part of Shades post was about how Addie is breaking Etsy rules by calling him out. THIS GUY GOT KICKED OFF OF ETSY AND HE HAS THE NERVE TO TELL ADDIE THAT SHE IS BAD FOR BREAKING ETSY FORUM RULES???? really the irony is almost too much.
Yes Addie wants attention and sympathy and unlike you Shade, she deserves it.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
"customer service is a tough thing"
No, customer service is not a tough thing. Not if you do it right. It's not tough at all.
What it is is a CONSISTENT thing and an HONEST thing.
You have to keep in contact, you have to be honest and you have to have the maturity to understand why these two things are so important.
In other words, for the slow learners still living in mommy's basement, you can't LIE to your customers and selectively IGNORE your customers and otherwise treat your customers like complete crap and still expect them to stay happy.
I pity you, Shade, because your mental development is obviously lagging far behind that of your peers, and I believe you will stay in this state of arrested development for as long as you allow your mommy to keep wiping your ass and taking your side when you are so clearly in the wrong.
Only you can decide when it is time to stop your (voluntary) stupidity and ignorance from playing whack-a-mole with your talent.
In the meantime, I would expect some well deserved legal action. Your Breck girl hair and engaging personality (*snark*) will only take you so far in this life. At some point, people will expect to have their money returned and they will take action and they will win and your stay in mommy's basement will be prolonged because you will suffer financially.
Remember now, YOU HAVE INVITED THIS INTO YOUR LIFE.
So suck it up and bend over.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
And heres another one for those of you into logic....
If what Shade says is true and he is no longer on Etsy lurking sas a puppet then how does he know that Addie is posting call out threads about him on Etsy and even exactly how many? Hmmmm.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
I always got a kick out of his claims of making thousands of dollars.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
I never did see Shade provide proof that he was kicked off Etsy in error. He is either a liar or the most incompetent evidence gatherer ever.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
goodkarmasoaps Says:
September 8, 2009 at 10:06 am
And heres another one for those of you into logic….
If what Shade says is true and he is no longer on Etsy lurking sas a puppet then how does he know that Addie is posting call out threads about him on Etsy and even exactly how many? Hmmmm.
You can read the forums without having an account.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Yeah but why would you when you claim you have no time to even write a full response to the accusations against you? Why would you be reading forums when you claim that you have too many things to make and so many customers to contact? And why would you when you said in the forum that you wouldn't even return as a lurker? Oh wait...maybe because you are not a very good liar. That would be my guess.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Addie have you contacted the police about this yet, as you said you were going to? Curious as to whether they would be able to even get involved in something like this..
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
At least it is easy to spot when Shade is lying. It seems to occur just about any time his lips are moving.
PussDaddy
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Shade...instead of trying to turn the conversation on someone else each time a person asks you about whether you are going to refund these people or not...why not just answer the question? It's a simple yes or no....
So I'll ask again...since your own Paypal screenshot proved that you DIDN'T refund Addie..and Addie has posted several screenshots proving that you DIDN'T refund her...are you going to give her back her money or not? It's a simple yes or no answer...and while we're at it...since malahide7 is also waiting on his rings/refund...are you going to refund his money as well?
Again, it's a pretty straightforward question... I don't get why you keep avoiding answering it?
It would seem much easier to refund these people their money instead of having more and more negative publicity come to light about your shop and business ethics.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
another one?
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6277066
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM
LOL! I thought the same thing as poster #332 when I saw that forum post earlier. I almost convoed the poor sap to see if it was their missing seller.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Shade, if you truly value your business then please put an end to this and give these customers what they are owed. Provide tracking info on here if you can't reach them any other way. Try to salvage any piece of your reputation that may be left, buddy.
I may have butted heads with Addie, but damn the woman deserves an answer. It's about time this was resolved.
A customer shouldn't have to work to get the info they need. You are working FOR your customers, not the other way around.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Chris, Cindy here.
I've followed this on the sidelines but I have some cold harsh TRUTHS for you....
1) Your evidence doesn't support that Addie was refunded. I think you need to do some number crunching here and you will find the payment never went through - - so refund her.
2) This prolonged publicity is really hurting you - - NOT a good thing to endure while you are trying to re-establish your business on a new site. Don't be a fool, Chris....
3) EVEN IF you are *convinced* your bookkeeping is right and she was re-imbursed (which I am not), at THIS POINT? Good Golly, roll over and stop the bloodletting! Send her the $150!!!! Do it TONIGHT, post the transaction screenshot and let it die!
Is your business rep really worth digging in heels over paltry amounts like $150? This blog listing could cost you $THOUSANDS so use your head, talented boy - - KILL IT NOW!
REFUND. SCREENSHOT. DONE DEAL. ON WITH LIFE.
(And for all that is worth anything, do NOT post here again after you show the screenshot of the new $150 payment!!! DO NOT POST HERE AGAIN!)
Oh, and take care of malahide, too -- Don't leave another time bomb ticking to blow up in your face.....
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
SoGladINeverDidBusinessWithShade Says:
September 8, 2009 at 12:04 pm
I always got a kick out of his claims of making thousands of dollars.
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Then his claim of having an IQ of 180 probably sent you into giggling fits. I know I damn near pissed my pants laughing when I read that one.
PussDaddy
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Maybe $150 isn't such a paltry amount when you live off of your buyer's money, sort of like a Shady Jewelry ponzai scheme, Luncinda. He is probably only surviving hand to mouth, and robbing one buyer to refund another, and stuff like that, and is probably already a whole bunch of $150's in the hole now. Thank God he has ArtFire now so he can catch back up.
PussDaddy
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Has anyone else noticed that after Addie did her "countdown" to contacting the police/lawyers she hasn't returned to this thread? I wonder if maybe her lawyers told her not to comment on this any further while they get paperwork underway? I'll have to convo her to find out...I'm pretty certain she was serious about contacting the police over this matter.
Shade...you are really destroying your life here over $150...this entire thread shows how little you value your customers and all that you care about is the almighty dollar. I wonder what everyone over at ArtFire would think about all of this? And I don't mean just the lines that you feed them...but about this thread---these comments you have made about not willing to work with your customers...and the proof you have shown several times in this thread that you *Have* stolen money from Addie, malahide7, and others. I'm waiting for the day when someone drops a link to this blog over on an ArtFire forum...and I don't think it will be long in coming. They are talking about you on PussDaddy's blog...on this blog, on EtsyBitch, on ClosedThreads (which you never returned to that thread, by the way, after I pointed out that your "screenshot" proved that Addie WAS NOT refunded) on Etsy Forums still, Twitter, other jewelry crafting forums, personal blogs, etc.
Word of mouth is going VERY far...and it's not going in your favor.
Is this all really worth $150?? Your business destroyed, your personal life affected (which it will be when you get brought up on charges)..I'm not trying to make you feel like crap...as a fellow seller I'm PLEADING with you to make things right with these customers...You have invested so much time and energy into your business...was their money all that you cared about?
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
have any of you customers tried this: I've used it in the past on ebay and it really works http://www.fbi.gov/majcases/fraud/internetschemes.htm
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Addie has contacted me and I can confirm that she is not posting now as per her lawyers advice. She was not making idle threats and is pursuing this to the full extent possible under the law.
But I dont think he has $150 to refund her with which is why PayPal couldn't process the refund and sent her the email accordingly. He is probably thinking that "she can't get blood from a turnip so go ahead and sue me" But at this point, we're talking consumer fraud which is a criminal matter rather than civil. Too many people, too much money and too many non-deliveries equals fraud. And I hate to break it to him but unlike PayPal and Etsy, the attorney general wont just take away his account. They also wont fall for lies and excuses. So I'd say we're done here. He had many chances to make things right before things went this far but I'm thinking that the time has passed for all that. So...all I can say is that he should be popular in prison with that long hair and baby face.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Just a note,
Addie will not be posting again. There are reasons for this but they do not need to be discussed. I'm sure you are all smart enough to speculate pretty correctly.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Oh I see goodkarmasoap has already posted. Sorry about that.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Way to go Addie! I take back calling you a ditz. Of course I did take it back and apologize already, but I will do it again here. Sue his ass until the cows come home. And gather up some other people and make it a class action law suit or something while you are at it. And please, don't come back here posting per your lawyer's recommendations no matter how enticing it may be, for your own good. I am glad someone is taking action against this cellar dwelling couch potato.
PussDaddy
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
The first thing any decent lawyer will tell you is keep your mouth shut about the case, so it's usually pretty easy to tell if someone is telling the truth about having spoken to a lawyer. If they are still talking, they probably have not seen a lawyer.
So it's usually a good idea to shut your mouth prior to hiring the lawyer, since you know that will be their advice anyway. Talking in public can only hurt your case, whichever side you are on.
Too bad both parties didn't get lawyers sooner, all this public freakshow would have been avoided.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Best of luck to you Addie!! Hope others follow your lead and contact the police/lawyers as well~
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
others are. others are.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
hesaidshesaid "Too bad both parties didn’t get lawyers sooner, all this public freakshow would have been avoided."
FALSE. It's too bad that Shade didn't do what he was supposed to do and then this public freakshow would have been avoided. Addie is not the only one complaining. This "freakshow" as you call it involves multiple and numerous complaints from buyers who lost their money and didnt get their merchandise. The first step is not to lawyer up. The first stsep is to try to get a resolution from the buyer. CHECKMARK. The second step is to complain to Etsy. CHECKMARK. The third step is to complain to PayPal. CHECKMARK. The fourth step is to use a public venue such as a blog for that purpose, a consumer protection newspaper or tv station. CHECKMARK. The last step is to take legal action.
These people took every step available before spending even more of their hardearned money trying to get justice. To suggest that both parties should have lawyered up to avoid all of this is ludicrous and it is also blaming the victim. Not to mention the fact that you are behaving as if this is between Addie and Shade. Read the blog, Addie is far from being the only one complaining. This freakshow allowed others to discover that they were not alone and gave them a place to demand answers since Shade refused to respond via convo. Shades responses gave the rest of us the opportunity to discover that he was in fact lying and prevented other innocent people from wasting their money on his site. So the blog entries have served their purpose and helped the victims as well as others. You are the only one consistently whining that everyone should be quiet and go away so that this blog can be about rainbows and unicorns instead of this conflict. In fact, you are the one who should be quiet and go away. Dont go to an action flick and sit in the audience complaining about violence in the movies. Common sense.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
because, of course, everyone should always assume that they are going to get bad customer service and have to resort to a layer, I mean, why wouldn't everything think that of all things?
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
*everyone
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
he said/she said:
The fourtth step has gotten many people the results they sought without going to an attorney. If it did not work then those consumer advocate shows and the Better Business Bureau and blogs like this would not exist. The fourth step is a viable, successful alternative to legal action and that has been proven by the many, many people who have found that the business suddenly responds to their complaint after public humiliation.
And as for the attorneys reason for telling people to be quiet, well you've obviously been watching too many cop shows. Shade is the one whose attorney would advise him to shut up in order not to harm his case. (waaaay to late for that). The victims in this case are advised to be quiet in order not to let Shade know what is happening now behind the scenes. The victims have nothing to hide. If their cases were so badly hurt by statements they made on this blog, the lawyer wouldn't have taken their case in the first place.
Oh and just and fyi: you're the only one still talking about it. The victims have moved on to legal action while you remain here telling them repeatedly that they shouldn't have posted here in the first place and that they should handle things more like adults and that they should have gotten attorneys to begin with. While you obviously enjoy playing Monday morning quarterback, you should probably wake up to the fact that no one is listening to your repeated judgements. Their life. Their money. Their case. Period. And again, if you dont want to read about people discussing being ripped off on Etsy, get off the Etsy calling out blog.
I'm done here. I want to wish every victim well and hope that they are able to recoup their hard earned money even if they can't get back their lost time and trust. Thanks for sharing your stories so others could avoid the same heartache as well as helping many others realize that they needed to jump off the "Save Shade from Inustice" bandwagon. All I can say is that no matter what the outcome, Karma can be a bitch as well as a blessing and it catches up to all of us in the end.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
goodkarma if carrying on like this in public was helpful to anyone's case, then why does any decent lawyer tell you to keep your mouth shut? They tell you that because anything you say or HAVE SAID previous to hiring them may hurt your own case. Regardless of which side you are on in the case. That fourth "step" is not a recommended one so even if you never get a lawyer you can at least benefit from their recommendations on how to resolve things. They give that advice for the client's own good, BTW!
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Ring showed up in the mail yesterday!
Yay!
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Malahide7-
How shocking...
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Chris has corrected the issue with Addie. It shouldn't have taken this though.
Chris, I suggest you work harder to be a better business man. Customer service is everything and if you can't provide that, you won't be someone that anyone wants to work with.
I hope you have learned.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
malahide7 - that is wonderful news :-)
I'm glad addie got everything sorted out too.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
I don't know how anyone would *want* to wear a ring made by this seller after all this crap. Talk about carrying around bad karma with you. Every time I would look down at it, it would remind me of what a fucking pain it was to get it. Maybe I'm funny like that.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Malahide7-that's wonderful!
I hear Addie has good news too.
I am happy that Shade was able to come through in the end.
Tori
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
I didn't actually do anything, that leads me to think s was a PayPal issue. the money has been out of my account for nearly 3 week. and just now got to her...
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Either way I am sincerely happy these issues were resolved. Good luck to you Shade-sorry for any of my bitching bad mouth toward you and Christina (ENA-one of the posters here).
Tori
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Chris, Cindy here again...
If you really think this was a Paypal issue, then you need to get on their ass tomorrow because this long drawn out flaying cost you an awful lot - - and they should face repercussions for it.
And please stop posting here - - no matter what you write at this point (unless it is a full roll-over 'I WAS WRONG'), you are only going to keep making it worse... Just resist the urge to *ever* post to this thread again because even if Paypal *did* screw up, the way your post reads is "I wasn't bad, I refunded, and bad Paypal withheld the money so I don't accept responsibility" and that is NOT a sentiment you want to your leave these readers walking away thinking....
Don't post here again would be my #1 strongest advice. Unless you want a roll-over letter; I can write you one of those:
"I am sorry. I did many things wrong here. I hope to learn from these mistakes and I will make sure to follow up on my orders and refunds in the future. I understand that ultimately *I* am responsible even if third party sites delay my actions. Please, all, know that I have heard what was said and will endeavor to earn your trust again. I want Brink Jewelry to be around for many years and I have learned ways to improve my hopes for its longevity. Thank you for the (admittedly) painful lesson."
It won't make your balls fall off by c and p'ing that - - ever. A good apology that takes responsibility will get your ass out of hot water most times - - learn how to write them by *listening* to what these threads had to say. We can all *always* improve - - and Customer Service (particularly After Sale) is what brings buyers back.
Now just walk away, Chris, or type an apology *WITHOUT* excuses - - excuses don't belong there ever :)
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Addie and malahide, I am VERY happy your issues are resolved :)
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Very glad that addie got her refund, and malahide got the ring...just too bad that it had to take a police report being filed to do it.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Yes guys, he didn't do anything. Paypal shipped that ring for him! It's ALL Paypal.
HAH! More like... lawyer... mommy and daddy wouldn't be happy...
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
jessica,
I have NEVER mailed a ring to addie.
nor did paypal,
addies got money back from paypal, the refund I issued weeks ago.
please, get your facts right.
-chris
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
and for the record, there was never a police report (that I know of) and if there was, I would be able to discredit it easily
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Shade...really...considering all of the lies you have already been caught in with this thread alone---by several people...you really need to stop because you're only making yourself look worse now...try to salvage your reputation just a little bit if you even care about that.
The only person who has been discredited in this thread has been you...and you couldn't even help your own case with your previous "screenshots"---infact you only ended up making yourself look even more at fault with your own "proof".
Ok---let's go on your theory of it all being Paypal's error (which, given the "proof" of your screenshots that backfired on you, we know that not to be entirely true)---what about malahide7? Was he/she all mistaken too?? It took you several months to get the ring out to them. And only after they came to this thread.
What about alethea---the buyer who's out nearly $1,000 in merchandise from you? Is she lying as well? Is that a "Paypal issue" and entirely not your responsibility too?
And then there's dallas---another customer of yours who placed an order with you in July...they have yet to receive anything, and in this thread claim you have never responded to their emails/convos either. I wonder how Paypal will be able to help you with that..
Shade, seriously, you would make yourself look a WHOLE lot better if you just sucked it up and admitted you were wrong, and take care of your buyers.
EtsyCallOut September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM
http://www.facebook.com/brinkjewelry#!/brinkjewelry?sk=info
He's back.
Anonymous June 20, 2011 at 7:58 AM